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Another one....what would you charge?

Discussion in 'Bidding & Estimating' started by stang2244, Feb 17, 2010.

  1. stang2244

    stang2244 Senior Member
    Messages: 385

    I have to include a per push price for snow removal as part of a bid I'm going to submit for a total property maintenance package. What would you guys charge per push, assuming a 3" trigger, and the 4 areas boxed out in yellow are the areas to be done(total area to be plowed is ~460,000 sq ft)? Any input is appreciated.

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    Last edited: Feb 17, 2010
  2. iceyman

    iceyman 2000 Club Member
    Messages: 2,537

    wat ya plown with?
     
  3. IMAGE

    IMAGE Sponsor
    Messages: 1,741

    unless you can push it all in 1 hour start to finish I would not do a per push price. Because you will end up there all day when its snowing, and only able to charge for 1 push.

    Hourly on that account would be the only way to go. Seasonal only if they want to but it would be a huge number. I think your both safter with hourly.
     
  4. Rc2505

    Rc2505 PlowSite.com Addict
    Messages: 1,245

    That is a good size lot. I have to agree with icey, I would either go seasonal or hourly. You would have to have several (6 to 8) pieces of equipment to clear that in any reasonal amount of time. I am guessing it would still take a couple hours with that much equipment on site. Good luck I know I would love to land something that big around here.
     
  5. terrapro

    terrapro PlowSite Veteran
    from MI
    Messages: 3,873

    See, Aj knows whats up.

    That is a nice calculator.
     
  6. stang2244

    stang2244 Senior Member
    Messages: 385

    Thanks for the input. I'm starting think I might not be able to bid this. I am setup fine for the landscape maintenance, but the plowing would require much more than the resources I have available.
     
  7. lawnprolawns

    lawnprolawns Senior Member
    Messages: 965

    that's ten acres?

    We plow a 5.5 acre high-traffic retail site with one truck in about 4-6 hours, depending on snow depth. Last storm was 6" and we had two trucks there for 5 hours or so, we had to do the whole thing twice. Trucks are a 1500 with a 7'6" blade w/ wings, and a 2500 with a 8'6" blade. No V's or anything.

    I dont see why people go and say you need 6-8 pieces of equip. there, that's nuts. Two trucks ought to be able to pound that our in 5 hours, add a third to help out and you'd be set. Dont let it intimidate you. As for pricing, I have 1.5" triggers and live in MI, so I will have no helpful info.
     
  8. lawnprolawns

    lawnprolawns Senior Member
    Messages: 965

    That would also be an easy site to push, as there's no real large ares, a lot of smaller, rectangular, broken up areas. What equipment do you have available right now?
     
  9. stang2244

    stang2244 Senior Member
    Messages: 385

    Right now I just have a 95 1/2 ton chevy with a 7'6" straight blade. If it comes down to it I wouldn't be opposed to subbing it, as I have more interest in the landscaping end of this bid and I am not really set up for larger plowing jobs. LAWNPRO. What would you charge for this if it was a 1.5" trigger?
     
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  10. lawnprolawns

    lawnprolawns Senior Member
    Messages: 965

    Alright, thanks for the info.

    Like I mentioned, we use a 1/2 ton with a 7'6" blade and wings, making it 9'6". Truck is a 2007 so it may be a bit beefier than yours, but that's for you to judge. The wings are most helpful for moving piles of snow, it'll "scoop" and hold more. I use wings on my 8' plow and barely ever take them off, it does speed things along.

    Here large sites are bid at about 80-110 bucks/acre. I dont know how pricing is in CO though. You could figure it out and leave room for a sub at $X/hr for additional help. With a 3" storm, we clear about 1 acre/hr with that single truck.

    Hope this helps a bit. Dont get overwhelmed, though it looks huge, form your SQFT numbers, 10 acres with that layout wouldn't be too bad.
     
  11. Rc2505

    Rc2505 PlowSite.com Addict
    Messages: 1,245

    I am not saying it cant be done with only one truck. Help yourself. I was just answering his question about a 3 inch trigger. In a heavy snowfall, which Colorado is prone to get, he is not going to be able to keep up with the trigger. A 12 inch storm in 24 hours, means he never leaves the lot with 2 trucks. A 24 inch storm, and he will be beyond screwed. 10 acres is a lot of area, and if he wants to have other contracts as well, he better be equiped to handle the worst case, not a 3 inch snowfall. I personally would have 2 trucks on-site, with at least 2 more available on call. One of those trucks being either a large dump truck with a 10 or 12 foot blade, or a loader with at least a 12 foot pusher. On call trucks can both be 3/4 ton trucks with at least 8 foot blades on them. If a real big snowfall happens, then he will need provisions for at least a couple loaders with pushers just for the shear amount of snow that will need piled some where.
     
  12. lawnprolawns

    lawnprolawns Senior Member
    Messages: 965

    My bad, I didn't account for the fact that CO gets much bigger storms than us! Sorry, I wasn't trying to knock ya. I posted my site a while back (the 5 acre one I mentioned) and a few people suggested that i get two pushers, a skid, and a truck.. i guess that's what I was referring to when I was saying "That's nuts"

    We rarely get 12" storms :)
     
  13. stang2244

    stang2244 Senior Member
    Messages: 385

    Thanks for all the help! Lawn Pro: that will definitely help me when putting a number to this, it was a bit overwhelming at first. I'll let you know if this ends up going through.
     
  14. Rc2505

    Rc2505 PlowSite.com Addict
    Messages: 1,245

    I understand and didn't take it the wrong way. I just know if I am putting my name on it, I would want to be sure that I am covered 110% with no possibility of anything going wrong. Thats why when I answered the post the first time, I suggested heavy. I know that some companies get carried away with the amount of equipment, but honestly I think I would rather have too much then to get caught with my pants down on something that big.
     
  15. iceyman

    iceyman 2000 Club Member
    Messages: 2,537

    in any decent snowafalla youll need more than one truck
     
  16. rywnygc

    rywnygc Member
    from 14033
    Messages: 86

    depends on what part of CO he is in. I am in Co. Springs and we hardly ever get any snow. In the 3 years that Ive been here I think 6" was the biggest snow Ive seen here. Up north and out west though they get some big snow.