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Am I underapplying, or is it just the cold weather?

Discussion in 'Ice Management' started by GSS LLC, Feb 10, 2014.

  1. GSS LLC

    GSS LLC Senior Member
    Messages: 639

    Customers want 70/30 sand salt mix. tems have been under 20 degrees for the past, well forever. lots of 40 below windchill nights. today, its 5 degrees.

    am i under applying, or is the below 15 degree temps causing the salt to not work worth a darn? I dont want to turn the parking area into a beach.

    here is what my lot looks like (yes i know, messy we had .25" of snow yesterday and they dont want to pay to do anything with it), they are complaining its not down to pavement, its an apartment complex with high traffic packing down the snow...

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    Last edited: Feb 10, 2014
  2. GSS LLC

    GSS LLC Senior Member
    Messages: 639

    i could make it look like this... (this lot had to be repaved after 4 years because of salt damage)

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  3. Antlerart06

    Antlerart06 PlowSite Veteran
    Messages: 3,437

    what kind of salt you using My salt works at 5*

    I don't run Sand I run a grit its bigger then sand
     
    Last edited: Feb 10, 2014
  4. GSS LLC

    GSS LLC Senior Member
    Messages: 639

    just bagged rock salt.
     
  5. Antlerart06

    Antlerart06 PlowSite Veteran
    Messages: 3,437

    I say your rate is off
     
  6. Antlerart06

    Antlerart06 PlowSite Veteran
    Messages: 3,437

    I would run a mix of Icemelt with your sand
     
  7. GSS LLC

    GSS LLC Senior Member
    Messages: 639

    I applied 400 pounds of salt to the lot yesterday. thought that would be plenty on top of what i already had on as a sand/salt mix.
     
  8. GSS LLC

    GSS LLC Senior Member
    Messages: 639

    total property size is 14 acres. how much salt/sand would you say it needs? i am applying about 1.5 tons of sand.

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  9. Antlerart06

    Antlerart06 PlowSite Veteran
    Messages: 3,437

    400 lbs should cover 1 acre of concrete How many acres of concrete you doing
     
  10. dieselboy01

    dieselboy01 Senior Member
    Messages: 784

    It's hard to say, could be not enough salt put down for the low temps. I will spread a little extra salt when the temps are real low. (10* or less or cold and overcast) but I run salt only, no sand. I'd keep applying your mix and charging accordingly if they want it down to pavement.
     
  11. Antlerart06

    Antlerart06 PlowSite Veteran
    Messages: 3,437

    How many sq ft of concrete are treating
     
  12. GSS LLC

    GSS LLC Senior Member
    Messages: 639

    thats the thing antler. i have never figured out how much concrete. is there an app that i can walk/drive the main drives and see how many feet/miles of drives there are?
     
  13. Antlerart06

    Antlerart06 PlowSite Veteran
    Messages: 3,437

    I found your site and check it looks like 2 acres of street or so
    So your 400lbs is half what it should be
     
  14. Antlerart06

    Antlerart06 PlowSite Veteran
    Messages: 3,437

    I use google earth to look and figure But if I was bidding on something and I need to know how many lbs I need I use a walking wheel
     
  15. LON

    LON Senior Member
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  16. finallygot1

    finallygot1 Member
    Messages: 36

    Antler, are you running bag or bulk? I use 800-1200 lbs per acre depending on the temp.
     
  17. Antlerart06

    Antlerart06 PlowSite Veteran
    Messages: 3,437

    I run both in cold temps I add stuff to the salt I always use the same amount

    I have a tail gate and a V box chain spreader

    Had problems with bulk in the tail gate first time out so I buy bags for it

    I notice with tail gate spreader I use less salt vs V box with same results

    The tail gate is new to me still learning on it I always had a V box since 81

    My rate with it was 800 lbs per acre of bulk with tail gate Im at 400 per acre
    Salt I use in tail gate is finer then the salt I use in the Vbox
     
  18. finallygot1

    finallygot1 Member
    Messages: 36

    I am in the same boat as you. I started out with a SaltDogg TGS07 and moved up to a SHPE 1500 V box. Due to salt shortage and the fact that I landed a pallet of bag I used the tail gate the other day and forgot how nice it was. Actually considering using it next year with bags.
     
  19. finallygot1

    finallygot1 Member
    Messages: 36

    Antler, what do you and in cold temps?
     
  20. BUFF

    BUFF PlowSite Fanatic
    from FR NoCo
    Messages: 7,231

    I run a mix of Ice Melt and Sand or just straight Ice Melt depending on the lot and or temps. Straight Rock Salt is not as effective at single digits temps, it needs to be treated/coated with Calcium or Mag Chloride to work in sub zero temps.
    It may cost more but you use less and will have clean lots.