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Almost Ready to Purchase Plow, a Little Help

Discussion in 'Introduce Yourself to the Community' started by acpsun, Oct 28, 2009.

  1. acpsun

    acpsun Junior Member
    Messages: 7

    Hello everyone, yes I am almost ready to purchase a new Plow, except I still have not decided which Plow. I have done my homework: visited all the dealers near me, got pricing, reviewed the various plows on-line, read through some threads (actually quite a few), and now just need a little helping hand to push me one way or another.

    A little background, we own a plaza and we have now decided to undertake the snow plowing of our plaza. We have been extremely unhappy with our previous contractors, we have cycled through numerous contractors. They always make big promises but never deliver. Our plaza has about 400+ parking spaces and is rectangular in shape with numerous islands.

    I have a 2009 F250 ready to go. After my research, I am looking for an 8' straight blade with wing attachments. Yes, I know that I can put a bigger blade but I really don't want a bulky blade to transport (should I need to plow the owners' driveways). And I don't need to rush off to any other site, so speed is not an issue. I thought about a Vee but for the lot it would be mostly straight runs.

    Anyways, here are the plows, I looked into:

    1. Arctic HD-90P, basic straight edge poly, Canadian made, nothing fancy about $6000
    2. Sno-Way 29HD, is the down pressure that effective? is the chainless lift better? I like the wireless controller, but are there still problems with it? about $7000
    3. Boss 8' SD trip edge, I like the mount, is this also chainless? I don't think I really need the trip edge, no speeding for me, about $5000 used
    4. Sno-Pro 3000, 8' full trip, not as popular as the other brands, but dealer is close, about $6000
    5. Western or Fisher, I am told same company, basically about the same price, only difference would be the trip edge, about $7000

    Also, prices are in Canadian, roughly rounded and not including accessories. One general question, I assume all the mounts are pretty good, they all claim to be fast and easy just they do it in different ways. Right?

    Dealers are all pretty close to us, I did not get a great impression from any of them - no salesperson went beyond providing a quote. I was thinking of maybe picking up a plow from the states, drive to Niagara Falls, NY - prices seems so much better (after looking at Equipment Specialists prices) but just worried about warranty and service from dealers here.

    OK, if you have any comments or suggestions or advice, thanks, I look forward to reading them. I will definately buy or at least order one this week (time is getting short).
     
  2. grandview

    grandview PlowSite Fanatic
    Messages: 14,609

    Welcome to PS ,guy from up North!
    Get the Boss V plow ,you can plow with in the straight position! 8.2 is good 9.2 ,even better.Come down to the States for what your going to pay for a used one you can almost buy new. They are 2 Boss dealers in the Buffalo area and they are both priced about the same.

    Shameless plug now, join SIMA lots of good stuff and they work through a office at Landscape Ontario
    I'll let you use me as a referral and you can get a discount if you use my name (Grandview)
    www.sima.org
     
  3. 2COR517

    2COR517 PlowSite Fanatic
    Messages: 7,115

    I agree with Grandview. You definitely want a Vee or Blizzard style plow. The bigger the better.
     
  4. TCLA

    TCLA 2000 Club Member
    Messages: 2,699

    Are you saying no red carpet, and a free dinner wasn't included in their quote?

    Shameful........
     
  5. basher

    basher PlowSite Fanatic
    from 19707
    Messages: 8,992

    You want them to ride out to the site and help plan your attack? Offer you a tour of the factory? Did you go talk to them or call on the phone. Go there in person, see who has the parts and shop to support your equipment. Choose your plow based on support. If your favorite plow has no 24/7 support then choose another brand you can get support for. ESI is a good operation but they can not hand you a part a 6:00pm when the snow is coming and your broken down.
     
  6. acpsun

    acpsun Junior Member
    Messages: 7

    Thanks all,

    If I go to the States to buy, I would think about the Vee (especially for the same price as the used Boss). I will definately look into the Boss dealers in the Buffalo area and I'll look into SIMA, thanks GRANDVIEW. Again, the only thing I worry about is service and warranty in Canada.

    With respect to the dealer comment; I meant no disrespect. They were fine and polite, just nothing beyond norm. Most sold different brands but seemed to push one brand without really explaining why. I visited each dealer in person, spoke to a salesperson, explained what I had, they said okay here is the price. No one really said why they were better than other dealers; no one even mentioned about their service or parts supply or garage. In other words, no one dealer distinguished themselves from the other dealers; so it is difficult to actually determine how much support I will be getting (especially after dropping at least $7000). Though, they all seem to be really busy.

    I was going to decide on which plow and then go in and talk with the dealer again, to ensure that the dealer will provide the necessary service before purchasing.

    Thanks BASHER for your insights. I have crossed the Sno-Pro off my list. The Boss plow I was looking at was a used one, dealer said $7000 (before installation) new. I did not visit Blizzard dealer (a little further away from me). Are you a Sno-way supplier?

    Thanks again all.
     
  7. grandview

    grandview PlowSite Fanatic
    Messages: 14,609

    Service is a good thing. I think you need to make sure that the plow was installed properly first. After that you need to pretend the dealer is not there. You need to do all the service yourself because if you breakdown as Basher said he's not going to be there to fix it. Keep some spare parts around and don't beat the snot out of it and it will last for years.
     
  8. basher

    basher PlowSite Fanatic
    from 19707
    Messages: 8,992

    Yes among others.
     
  9. hydro_37

    hydro_37 PlowSite Veteran
    from iowa
    Messages: 3,790

    I would get a V.
    Sno-Way and Boss would be my choice in a plow.
    Just make sure you know how the plow is maintained and how to fix most problems yourself (like GV said)
     
  10. acpsun

    acpsun Junior Member
    Messages: 7

    Basher, I went back to one dealer who carries Sno-way but initially recommended the Arctic. I spoke to another salesperson and asked for a firm price for the sno-way 8' straight blade and got a competitive price of $6150 (which was only a bit more than the Arctic). Then he offered a last year model Sno-way Vee for $6200. So, I am thinking strongly of getting this Sno-way Vee. Any thoughts?
     
  11. basher

    basher PlowSite Fanatic
    from 19707
    Messages: 8,992

    Hold out on the Vee. Offer them $500 less and bargain from there. Snoway redesigned the Vee and are trying to dump last year's "refurbished" models. Duke (the distributor) probably made a good deal on last years recalls. Make sure it is this year's control and be sure your truck will turn to the left without interfering with the mega mount.
     
  12. acpsun

    acpsun Junior Member
    Messages: 7

    Thanks for the info. Salesperson told me there was no difference between last year's model and this years. He mentioned that it would still have the full two season warranty. Maybe I should just stay with the straight blade?
     
  13. basher

    basher PlowSite Fanatic
    from 19707
    Messages: 8,992

    He either lied or was lied to, based on recent personal experience I would guess lied to. Be sure to get any promises made in writing. This years model (MPV2XXX) is totally redesigned, they have has different lift cylinder, different lift cylinder mounting points, different A-frame, lift frame, moldboard, trip spring attachment, light bar, pump cover, controller plugs, I could go on. They used last year's unsuspecting customers as unknowing beta testers and then completely re-worked this year's model to address all of the short comings of last years units.

    Last year's unit worked but not near as well as this year's, the band-aids get in the way. :cool:
     
  14. cet

    cet PlowSite Fanatic
    Messages: 7,202

    Where in TO are you.
    I would go to Buffalo and buy a Boss Vee or a Western Vee. I have 1 Boss that I personally have very little use with but has been great and 2 Westerns that I have put 300 hours on 1 of. I wouldn't have any problem buying either again but if I was to buy now I would get the Boss and a Poly.
    One large advantage to doing the install yourself is you learn a lot about the plow. Where to look when things break and just the general workings.
     
  15. acpsun

    acpsun Junior Member
    Messages: 7

    Thanks CET, however, I think I will forgo going to the states to purchase. I will take BASHER's advice and find a good dealer. I prefer not to get all mechanical (though I can if need be), I rather get good service. This dealer is like two minutes away from site.

    I am concentrating on the Sno-way blade: Vee or the straight. I spoke to the salesperson again and asked him about the differences between last year's model and this year's. He said all the modifications has been done on the last year model to update it (refurbrished). He was not sure about all the modifications but said that they have had no problems with the ones that they already sold. He again said two season warranty and that they will look after any problems. So, is it better to buy the last year model Vee refurbrished or the current straight edge model? Again, I will not be overworking this plow.
     
  16. basher

    basher PlowSite Fanatic
    from 19707
    Messages: 8,992

    If you can get it for the right price buy the Vee. the "refurbish" did not near bring it up to compatible with this years unit so unless I could get it for a discount I would buy this year's unit serial #MPV2XXXX as opposed to the serial #MPV1XXXX.
     
  17. acpsun

    acpsun Junior Member
    Messages: 7

    BASHER, a new Vee this year's model would run $1600 more with no current stock. If I get $500 more off would that be a good deal?
     
  18. basher

    basher PlowSite Fanatic
    from 19707
    Messages: 8,992

    Excellent:nod:
     
  19. acpsun

    acpsun Junior Member
    Messages: 7

    THANKS BASHER, really appreciate your help. I will try and get it done tomorrow. Also, what accessories should I add - I was thinking of the deflectors ($250) and maybe the wings ($650-$800). Is the 4-sight system good?
     
  20. basher

    basher PlowSite Fanatic
    from 19707
    Messages: 8,992

    I like the 45degree scoop wing. I run one on the drivers side better control for when wind rowing and cutting in slow and real close where I don't want any "dribble."

    You need the deflector, Snoway's works well in the scoop, not so well in the vee or straight mod. The little yellow steel deflector dosn't keep the snow from coming though.

    I'm making a center deflector of some type before the snow starts.

    I guess the 4 sight is OK. A little pricey for a relay, a couple connectors, some wire and instructions. You get more then twice the light of just the plow alone, It can be rigged to about any type plow. Your truck's lights are brighter then Snoway's plow lights and stay in adjustment better. The downside is it only helps went the blade is down. Does not do a thing for traveling, That's when I want light. Most of the time I am running as few lights as possible while pushing snow. even at night the refracted light makes visibility great and if the sky's clear quickly on a moon lite night it's not only beautiful but it can be so bright it's painful you are looking for the sunglasses. I plow with just the marker light and roof flasher when ever possible. if you are going to do it could be better to use the low beams. the light beam pattern is much better for plowing during snowfall. The refracted light from the high beams could be very disorienting. Email me at snowtech@basherandson.com and I'll get you the info on how to use the low instead of the high beams.