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225K square feet, $9300.00 all inclusive

Discussion in 'Bidding & Estimating' started by John_DeereGreen, Oct 17, 2014.

  1. John_DeereGreen

    John_DeereGreen PlowSite.com Addict
    Messages: 1,873

    Yep, you read that right. Strip mall complex with 200000 square feet, and a small out lot with 4 shops 25000 square feet.

    Seasonal contract, all inclusive. 2 inch trigger, salting after every clearing and as needed for lighter amounts. The only thing not included is off site removal, and even last year with almost double average snowfall it never had to be hauled. No caps, unlimited salting and unlimited plowing.

    We average 38 inches of snow/season. 16 plowing and 32-34 salt events.

    Lowest bid above this one was us, at 16980. My salt cost was above what they priced everything at.

    I'll be waiting for the phone to ring by January, especially if salt prices spike further.
     
  2. Mark Oomkes

    Mark Oomkes PlowSite Fanatic
    Messages: 10,853

    Some guys here would charge that much for one service.
     
  3. dieselss

    dieselss PlowSite Fanatic
    Messages: 10,931

    Philadelphia hills ain't it? Home of the rich?
     
  4. Mark Oomkes

    Mark Oomkes PlowSite Fanatic
    Messages: 10,853

    Central Illernoiz too.
     
  5. dieselss

    dieselss PlowSite Fanatic
    Messages: 10,931

    And you pronounced it correctly too. I'm so proud
     
  6. MSsnowplowing

    MSsnowplowing Senior Member
    Messages: 709

    Is the guy doing it in a single truck too :laughing:
     
  7. John_DeereGreen

    John_DeereGreen PlowSite.com Addict
    Messages: 1,873

    I know the "company" that got it...the first storm we get like last year where it dumped about 4 inches an hour for 3 hours and they'll be shitting themselves. That snowfall rate is unusual for us.

    They do have 4 trucks, all of which are at least 2008's with v plows. But no machines.

    I just don't understand how anyone could possibly come up with a number that low after doing the math.

    That just goes to show, that while the nationals might be underbidding some stuff, they surely aren't alone.
     
  8. Citytow

    Citytow Senior Member
    from phila
    Messages: 548

    without looking at the property just looking at the square footage you doing pretty good. It's getting wild around here lately.
     
  9. Fannin76

    Fannin76 Senior Member
    Messages: 731


    Um I'd be at at least 32,000 and I feel my rates are still pretty low. How any one could do it for less then 10k is beyond me
     
  10. Citytow

    Citytow Senior Member
    from phila
    Messages: 548

    dittos . you gotta love them .wesport
     
  11. Citytow

    Citytow Senior Member
    from phila
    Messages: 548

    its called a crapshoot. on both parties . hehehe
     
  12. John_DeereGreen

    John_DeereGreen PlowSite.com Addict
    Messages: 1,873

    If I remember right you get a lot more out of salt then we can. This lot was figured with Ebling back blade production rates as well. All the bids were within $500 of each other.

    While it is frustrating to not get the account, it's even more frustrating that the property owner will now assume the rest of us are trying to make way too much off of the lot. He left so much money on the table and isn't even smart enough to see it.
     
  13. Citytow

    Citytow Senior Member
    from phila
    Messages: 548

    they'll both see it when the contractor dont show after a blizzard
     
  14. Fannin76

    Fannin76 Senior Member
    Messages: 731

    Well I ask for more lol. I was asking 25 cents now I bid at 18 for bagged
     
  15. Ramairfreak98ss

    Ramairfreak98ss PlowSite.com Addict
    Messages: 1,904

    I'd charge that much between numerous de-ice apps and plowing charges for a 15" storm lol. And a strip mall at that with numerous stores not just ONE store... haha. $5k deposit for the insurance on top of it. $9000, that won't get the rental for a skid for the 4-5months of the winter. USM has home depots in NJ for similar prices, similar sizes..

    if they came to us with 60k for the sites seasonally i'd still have to laugh. I know a contractor from year 2000 that did the same site and that company billed 40-50k every year.
     
  16. John_DeereGreen

    John_DeereGreen PlowSite.com Addict
    Messages: 1,873

    It still amazes me to see the difference in pricing from area to area...at my 16870 I'm still making very good money. I can't imagine having the cost of living and overhead to turn away that lot at 60K a season!
     
  17. cet

    cet PlowSite Fanatic
    Messages: 7,202

    If your salt cost is over $9300 how can you do it for $17k? I would be more then double that.
     
  18. MSsnowplowing

    MSsnowplowing Senior Member
    Messages: 709

    You should see what those boys in NJ and NY are paying for insurance alone.

    Talk about sticker shock :eek:

    If I had to pay that type of money my prices would have to triple just to cover the insurance part of the business.
     
  19. leigh

    leigh PlowSite.com Addict
    from CT
    Messages: 1,987

    And funny thing is that if we all compared tax returns there wouldn't be a big difference!It's not what you make,it's whats left in your pocket!
     
  20. John_DeereGreen

    John_DeereGreen PlowSite.com Addict
    Messages: 1,873

    How much snow do you get though? 9300 is cost once it's applied with overhead, equipment, materials, etc. Still leaves a good chunk for plowing. We average 34 inches a season.