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16' rear plow?

Discussion in 'Commercial Snow Removal' started by Mick, Dec 21, 2002.

  1. Mick

    Mick PlowSite.com Veteran
    from Maine
    Messages: 5,546

    On another thread, it was mentioned about having a 16' expanding rear plow on an F350 PSD. Is that a misprint? If not, it seems that would be something my 3500 could handle and be worth me at least knowing about. I thought anything that big would be a pusher and need a tractor.

    How much does it weigh?

    Not intending this as a commercial, just information to keep on file.
     
  2. Jon Geer

    Jon Geer Member
    Messages: 834

    Not a Misprint

    The blade wieghs about 750lbs. When the plow is closed it's length is 8', each wing is 4' in length, so basically the end plates open 4' on each side creating the 16'.

    It has 2 lift cylinders, and 4 lift arms ( 2 + 4 = 6 lifting and stabilizing points).

    It's has a quick attachment similar to the BOSS RT3, with a couple of mods.

    All Hydraulics are located in a DeeZee toolbox in the bed run by a 13hp Honda Horizontal shaft, electric start engine driving a 6 gallon a minute Lamboghini hydro pump @ 2100psi, utilizing a custom made solinoid valve manifold.

    Very tricked out.

    I have a control box with six switches:

    First switch controls up/down, left/right (Meyer Slick Stick)
    Second switch controls left wing front/out/in
    Third switch controls right wing front/outin
    Fourth switch controls back blade up/down
    Fifth switch controls left wing rear out/in
    Six switch controls right wing rear out/in.

    I aslo have switches in the box to sart and throttle Honda engine, for back up lights, and strobe lights

    All neatly in one harness and one box mounted to my center console.

    I know Diesel truck gas engine running plows, sounds crazy, but I couldn't find a small enough Diesel engine to run the plows.

    Pictures will be here soon.

    Thanks for the interest.:D
     
  3. John Allin

    John Allin PlowSite.com Addict
    Messages: 1,327

    These people make one..... and I've seen it up close... nice unit...

    ExtendaPlow
    Hudsonville, Michigan 49426
    616-896-0277 (phone)
    616-896-1475 (fax)

    Their literature doesn't show a web site..... but if you call them, I know they'll send you some information (and nice pictures)...
     
  4. Jon Geer

    Jon Geer Member
    Messages: 834

    Plow

    It's not an Extenda-Plow.

    It is a SwingWing, made right here in Grand Rapids, Michigan, designed and developed by Carl Mast who owns Meadowgreen Inc.

    It was the best design on the market. Cost about $9000.00 installed.

    Best plow I have ever used.:drinkup:
     
  5. Pelican

    Pelican 2000 Club Member
    Messages: 2,075

    Jon,

    Yanmar makes a 4.5 hp plus a 10 hp diesel engine, and Duetz makes a 16 hp diesel, for future reference.
     
  6. captdevo

    captdevo PlowSite.com Sponsor
    Messages: 58

    Lamboghini or Lambordini?

    I have Blade Runner Mowers with Lambordini Diesels (they make pumps too) and Bondioli pumps.

    roller rockers, nice engines, smooth running. they have small diesels as well.

    Allied Construction in St. Louis is the Importer.



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  7. PINEISLAND1

    PINEISLAND1 PlowSite.com Veteran
    Messages: 664

    Hey Jon

    I see from the 8611 thread that you have your digital camera now. Can you post a few pics of the 350 with the Blizzard / Swingwing combo for us ?

    Have you had any problems with the new setup now that weve actually had a couple weeks of plowing to try it out?
     
  8. Jon Geer

    Jon Geer Member
    Messages: 834

    16' Rear Plow

    Tom,

    Haven't shot any photo's yet. Most pics are shot with friends camera.

    Will be taking some soon for a show I entered the truck in.

    I'll get them out soon.

    Haven't had any problems thus far, need more snow to play with.

    I will post some pics of other trucks with the SwingWing.


    Thanks for the interest.

    :)
     
  9. Doctordo

    Doctordo Member
    Messages: 50

    Sounds like your truck better have agood set of berries to push that rig.
     
  10. Jon Geer

    Jon Geer Member
    Messages: 834

    16' Rear plow

    The truck has the new 6.0 PowerStroke.

    Does the trick.



    :drinkup:
     
  11. PINEISLAND1

    PINEISLAND1 PlowSite.com Veteran
    Messages: 664

    I've got some free time in the next day or two, maybe I can get down to the shop where you work and check it out personally. I'll get some pics to post on here for the "out of towners" !
     
  12. Jon Geer

    Jon Geer Member
    Messages: 834

    Plow

    Patience is a virtue.

    Good things come to those who wait.

    We'll get the pics to you soon Tom.

    Thanks for the offer.


    :)
     
  13. PINEISLAND1

    PINEISLAND1 PlowSite.com Veteran
    Messages: 664

    Jon-

    What is the front axel rating on that truck, and how much does that 8611 blade set up weigh ? I am thinking it was in the neighborhood of 1400 lbs, wasn't it ? Will the front of the 350 handle that with the diesel ?

    I think Steve, who you met the other day, is interested in that same setup. We are going to come down to check yours out this week to see how it handles it , and I think he might trade up soon.
     
  14. Jon Geer

    Jon Geer Member
    Messages: 834

    Answers

    The front axle rating for the truck is 5200 lbs. and 6830 on the rear.

    The Blizzard 8611 wieghs 1470 (complete).

    But my truck has the 810 remember.

    Also, the wife drives the truck to and from here work (to keep milage down), but I will ask if I can steal it.:)

    Other wise the truck stays in an heated environment.

    We'll have a full Website very soon to see the plow, and see it in action very soon.

    Be patient.

    I'll see if I can speed up the site on the "SwingWing plow".


    I know how interested you are.

    Thanks.
     
  15. PINEISLAND1

    PINEISLAND1 PlowSite.com Veteran
    Messages: 664

    I was mistaken , I thought you had the 8611
     
  16. fastjohnny

    fastjohnny Senior Member
    Messages: 654

    control box

    please include a picture of the control box.

    thanks

    John
     
  17. greenquestlawn

    greenquestlawn Senior Member
    Messages: 157

    Sounds like the one I ran at a LC in Grand Rapids, I know what you mean about the switches, alot of things to get used to. I had a
    remote starter switch
    Throttle switch
    Up and down for the back blade
    each wing had a switch to extend
    up/down for front
    switch for each wing out/in on the boss front blade.

    All in one box.

    :eek:

    This is the only pic I have since I do not work there any more, some of you may recognize the truck or company.

    Plowed a heck of alot of snow.

    1.jpg
     
  18. fastjohnny

    fastjohnny Senior Member
    Messages: 654

    Celebration cinema

    Kinda off topic, but I saw a guy this weekend, after a 6" event, doing the whole lot with single truck, looked like 8 foot blade. Sure coulda used a back blade like this, at least a bigger plow on the front.
     
  19. Mark Oomkes

    Mark Oomkes PlowSite Fanatic
    Messages: 10,868

    Greenquest, did you ever catch anything like a light pole or hydrant or curb and tweak the wings of the back blade a little? If so, how did you get the wing back in so you can go down the road?

    I'm also curious to know if any body has done a time study showing how fast the payback is on a $9000-$11,000 back plow is, also figuring in the repair and rebuilding costs when you do catch something and tweak it.

    My biggest concern with these types of back blades is the fact that they are sticking out 4' on each side BEHIND you. I think that it is only a matter of time before you hit something with one of these types of plows. I run a 12' on our JCB 212 with a 14' Daniels and I know how many times I have come close to ripping off bumpers on cars and I have cought a boulder and a cconcrete pillar with ours. The nice thing about our 12' is all you have to do to remove it is, pull the hinge pin and remove the bar that holds it in place.

    I think 16' back plows are a good concept, I just don't know if they are worth the extra money and time when something is hit.
     
  20. greenquestlawn

    greenquestlawn Senior Member
    Messages: 157

    Well if you must know......yes I did grab a bumper with the back blade. We put them flags in the middle so I could see when the wings were together. I was coming around some cars, was heading twords them and going to swing past them (hard to explain) but the one wing was 4" out and guess what, I barely grabbed the bumper, of course if it was in I would have missed it. Needless to say by the time that big 450 came to a stop (and i was not going fast at all) but I had swung the back end of the truck (the one I hit) into the car next to it...:(

    That time it did not cause any damage to the plow. but it was a firm reminder to Double check if the wings were in.

    Now the year after I quit someone hit something and bent a wing back. I believe they ripped it almost off so there was not much to take apart to get the wing off.

    I will say it was a huge increase for me in plow production. I added about 25% more to my route with no extra time. On the light snow it was faster with the added plowing. I would exten the back blade and scoop the front and make 16' passes across the lot. It was also the condo machiene, I was in charge of pulling all the drives at some condo's. I think it was 158 drives 1/2 were 4 spaces, the rest were double drives, and I kept two trucks busy pushing up my piles and pulled them all in just over an hour.

    Think a double drive was done in one pass. Back up to garage, drop the plow, pull out and on to the next.

    Would I ever buy one...heck no, but it was fun to run it.