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1" Heavy Wet Snow Should I plow ?

Discussion in 'Commercial Snow Removal' started by 2dogs2, Jan 18, 2008.

  1. 2dogs2

    2dogs2 Member
    Messages: 81

    Just got an inch of heavy wet snow, should I plow it or just let it go? xysport
  2. Mick

    Mick PlowSite.com Veteran
    from Maine
    Messages: 5,546

    That's up to you and your customers. What's the tempurature going to do and would that have any impact on whether to plow or not?
  3. abbert55

    abbert55 Senior Member
    Messages: 170

    I usually don't plow unless there is 2" of accumulation however if it is warm enough to turn to slush and it will freeze later... better scrape it off before you have a skating rink with waves... (tire track ruts)xysport. The personal injury attorneys LOVE slips, trips and falls.
    Always use your better judgement and be sure your customer knows you are minimizing his exposure to potential liability. This has sold more ice control business than you can imagine. Hope this helps, Al
  4. Bowtieguy

    Bowtieguy Member
    from CT
    Messages: 57

    I agree it depends on the agreement with your customers. I have 2 with steep driveways and 1 with a tenant. They want me to plow and sand no matter what. You'd be surprised that even at 1" they are happy to wake to a clean driveway. You can always call and touch base during the day. "I didn't come because ( fill in blank) would you prefer i come anyway if the situation happens again"? See what they say.
  5. Petr51488

    Petr51488 Senior Member
    Messages: 262

    If its suppose to be 40 degrees and above the next day, i won't. If its suppose to be below 32, then yes.
  6. QuadPlower

    QuadPlower PlowSite.com Addict
    Messages: 1,056

    What is your trigger amount? 0",1",2",3",4"
    I would assume it is above 1" or you would have just went out and plowed.

    It is probably too late now, but I would go and do it and then bill them. If you are concerned then they are too. If they complain you just gave them a free plowing.
  7. Clapper&Company

    Clapper&Company PlowSite Veteran
    from NE OHIO
    Messages: 4,413

    We plow Just about every thing at 1" Give or take.

    We have all the Dr Offices in town and were push them a 1/2 to 3/4" depending on what the weather will do
  8. creativedesigns

    creativedesigns PlowSite.com Addict
    Messages: 1,929

    For residentials we go out for a 5cm trigger (2inches) ....as for commercial we go out for 2cm triggers (1inch) Now I would plow the commercials if its heavy wet snow or it will freeze! Then it will cost you more in salting the places. Tell your resis it will cost more for these types of snowfalls if its gonna freeze up, then if they say NO & slip the next day, its their problem not yours!
  9. creativedesigns

    creativedesigns PlowSite.com Addict
    Messages: 1,929

    Its hard to beat those kind of clients. If you don't show up, they cry about it, if you do show up they cry even more because its costing them money!:dizzy:
  10. jt5019

    jt5019 Senior Member
    Messages: 853

    Had the same problem here this morning. We plow or atleast salt all the commercals no matter how much falls. Most of our driveways we have a 2 inch trigger ,but if its supposed to be below freezing we will scrape them up. They say its supposed to get up to 40 degrees here today before it gets really cold again so we decided to let the driveways melt on their own.
  11. MB3

    MB3 Senior Member
    Messages: 123

    We plowed

    We plowed, well mostly salted, everything last night, and then scraped the slush off. I would rather have doen that, then hope that it will melt away before the cold front. I tell all my customers, it is my insurance on the line, and I am providing you with a service.
  12. crazymike

    crazymike Senior Member
    from Toronto
    Messages: 639

    When we get snow like that I plow the inclusives before I drop salt because I'm cheap
  13. forestfireguy

    forestfireguy PlowSite.com Addict
    Messages: 1,276


    How much is costing you an hour to run your truck and/or your subs??? My clientele will not bat an eye for 2/3 saltings during an icy event but tell them you are charging for a 2-4 inch storm(our lowest bracket) for pushing less than an inch and they flip. Margins are better on salt than plowing anyway(at least for us), just wondering why you wouldn't let the salt burn it off, and temps above 35 with the brine left from salting and you are just about garunteed black pavement, if it gets sun it'll be done even faster........
  14. crazymike

    crazymike Senior Member
    from Toronto
    Messages: 639

    inclusive means the salt is included in the monthly contract price.

    I pay $70 a tonne for salt because I buy it by the triaxle.

    Say a site that takes 1.5 tonnes of salt for 1" of snow. It might take one of my guys 1 hour to plow it, I will tell him to just drop the salt. But if I'm there myself, I can bang out the key spots in 10 minutes and get away with dropping 1/2 tonne of salt. So I save quite a bit of money.

    I don't expect my guys to plow as fast as me for several reasons.

    1) they don't have experience
    2) if something breaks, I have to pay
    3) them being hard on the truck is not as efficient as me being hard on the truck.

    In one night of snow I can plow 35 schools in my pickup truck and make a few grand off the one truck alone. I expect my guys to plow around 9-10 schools and they are the smaller ones. So in one night I can more than cover a blown transmission, it's worth being hard on the equipment. But if one my guys were to drive or plow like I do, they would wreck the tranny and still only get 12 sites done.

    The same goes for salting. I can go out and drop 1/2 tonne of salt and it will melt the same as when they go drop 1.5 tonnes of salt. But I don't expect them to try and drop 1/2 tonne of salt because I will end up with 10 slip and falls the next day.
  15. JD Dave

    JD Dave PlowSite Fanatic
    Messages: 11,032

    I kind of agree with Mike. Most of our place are large and everthings included. I used to always plow an inch but now I'll pretty much melt it. If it's -10 celius or colder I'll probably plow but the closer to 0 or 32 for you Americans I'll always salt. It takes 11 extra guys to plow or just 2 of us to salt, so I have less headaches when we salt.
  16. Oasis

    Oasis Senior Member
    Messages: 273

    What the heck is the 'triaxle'
  17. crazymike

    crazymike Senior Member
    from Toronto
    Messages: 639

    triaxle dump truck. A dump truck has two sets of rear wheels and a third set that comes down when loaded. The same truck is pretty common for gravel delivery, asphalt, snow removal, etc...

    We generally order by the triaxle. One triaxle load of salt is about 19-22 tonnes. The more salt you buy, the more you save.

    If I were to order a tractor trailer of salt it would hold about 35-40 tonnes of salt and my price per tonne would be even cheaper.

    Depending on where you buy your salt, the price varies. If we order a triaxle it's thru a friend and we get his bulk discount. If I were to do to the depot where I have an account, I would pay about $85 a tonne taxes in. If I were to go to a place I don't have an account I will pay close to $100 a tonne taxes in.
  18. Jay brown

    Jay brown PlowSite.com Addict
    Messages: 1,783

    i would plow for sure. Renters/business owners love it to see the plow contractors plowing everytime because that is just that much less water that they have to clean up inside... at shopping centers/big commercial the tennats will pass on a good word to the landlords and the landlords will be happy because your keeping the tennats happy.....
  19. REAPER

    REAPER 2000 Club Member
    from 60050
    Messages: 2,228


    SNOWLORD Senior Member
    from MN
    Messages: 610

    Lay down the salt!! No need to call all the loader operators or skid steer operators nothing breaks little to no labor costs alot less headaches and black lots on top of it