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Old 06-18-2009, 10:32 PM
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How to price Commercial Jobs

Hi everyone we bought a couple plows in January and picked up a lot of hourly work with a freind of mine that owns a landscape company. This year we are setting out on our own and picking up our own contracts and just wondered how everyone else figures out there quotes and do you charge for Salting / Shoveling Seperate?
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Old 06-19-2009, 05:57 AM
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My first question to you is,did you ever plow before?
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Old 06-19-2009, 06:15 AM
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Whats your hourly rate?
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Old 06-19-2009, 06:41 AM
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My first question to you is,did you ever plow before?
Yes we started in January and plowed the rest of the season. I am very well known in this area and now have commercial lots asking for a quote.
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Old 06-19-2009, 06:42 AM
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Whats your hourly rate?
$75.00 / hour for each truck. But these customers want a price for the month.
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Old 06-19-2009, 08:22 PM
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First off I pay my brokers more then that. Do you get $75 or are you planning on charging that. I hope the first one.

You need to know how many snowfalls you are going to have. Add a few extra visits for multiple plows during a storm. Site visits on windy days and partial plows.

Some contracts are all in and some have salting as an extra. Don't know of any where sidewalks are an extra.

I would like to help you price because most new guys price to low and then have a hard time getting paid more the next year.

You are going to need the experience to look at a lot and know how long it will take to plow and how much salt you need to spread.
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Old 06-20-2009, 10:37 AM
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First off I pay my brokers more then that. Do you get $75 or are you planning on charging that. I hope the first one.

You need to know how many snowfalls you are going to have. Add a few extra visits for multiple plows during a storm. Site visits on windy days and partial plows.

Some contracts are all in and some have salting as an extra. Don't know of any where sidewalks are an extra.

I would like to help you price because most new guys price to low and then have a hard time getting paid more the next year.

You are going to need the experience to look at a lot and know how long it will take to plow and how much salt you need to spread.
Judging by work we did last year I would say I can do the plaza in an hour with shoveling & salting. I would say on the average we are looking at no more than 5 times a month.
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On an all in contract how many times do you think you are going to salt? Are you putting straight salt on the sidewalks or treated salt?

There are many things to consider and the pricing is very different from area to area.
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Old 06-21-2009, 07:38 AM
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Salt

Of course this is a bit of a guess but I would say we will probably salt about 10 times in a month.
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Old 06-21-2009, 08:17 AM
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Of course this is a bit of a guess but I would say we will probably salt about 10 times in a month.
Winter is 5 months, we generally don't break things into seperate months when we talk total plows and saltings. Some months are brutal others are very light and we generally avg out. I agree with CET most new guys are way to cheap because they really don't understand all the aspects of a snow business. Have you looked into proper insurance? Maybe start there and when you find out your rates you'll have a better idea what to charge.
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Old 06-21-2009, 09:58 AM
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I already have everything in place 2 million liability plus plow insurance. Right now I run a Kwik Kerb Continuous Concrete Landscape Edging business and have to figure out quotes all the time. I just need ball parks on how you go about charging. The previous winter we plowed 5 times in Jan, 3 times in Feb and 0 in March and from what I remember the guys I was subing off plowed 3 times in Oct, 4 times in Nov and 9 times in Dec.
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http://www.climate.weatheroffice.ec....s/index_e.htmlhttp://www.climate.weatheroffice.ec....s/index_e.html
I used this link to find out roughly how many times it snows in my area. It is usefull to find out the number of wind days too. In this area of "snowing sideways" it helped to find out how many times I would have to service my customers.

I came up with 60 plows on average and last year did 58. Don't forget that you will have to check your accounts every morning and include your time for that in your price. It happened on 2 occasions that the city/county plow operator plowed in my entrances on one lot after it hadn't snowed for a day or two. If I had not checked them I would have been awakened by some very angry customers and those two times would be the only times they remember when the contract comes up for renewal.

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Old 06-22-2009, 11:46 AM
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http://www.climate.weatheroffice.ec....s/index_e.htmlhttp://www.climate.weatheroffice.ec....s/index_e.html
I used this link to find out roughly how many times it snows in my area. It is usefull to find out the number of wind days too. In this area of "snowing sideways" it helped to find out how many times I would have to service my customers.

I came up with 60 plows on average and last year did 58. Don't forget that you will have to check your accounts every morning and include your time for that in your price. It happened on 2 occasions that the city/county plow operator plowed in my entrances on one lot after it hadn't snowed for a day or two. If I had not checked them I would have been awakened by some very angry customers and those two times would be the only times they remember when the contract comes up for renewal.

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Hello all. I'm new to the site, but am reading and processing information before posting anything. However, as I come across things that I need clarification on, I'll ask.

The link above is for Canada...by chance do you happen to know of anything like that for the US? I'm in Ohio and starting out, something like this would be extremely helpful for estimating prices and what have you.

Thanks!
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Old 06-30-2009, 08:28 AM
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Price your jobs based on your overhead & use-rates

All the help offered is great on this site. However, I have one suggestion on pricing. Calculate your costs per hour of operation for your company based on your overhead and expenses. I made the same mistakes for the first nine years I was in business. That mistake was asking what to charge. Unfortunately, we all have different overhead, expenses and use-rates. Thus all of our break-even costs are different.

I have a CD called know why you charge what you charge that you simply enter your company data (such as cost for equipment, insurance, use-rates, etc) onto the spreadsheet and it will calculate your break-even costs per hour for your company. From that point, you ad what your particular market will bear for the service being offered. Visit our website at www.profitsareus.com or call me @ 800-845-0499 if you have any questions. We are also a sponsor on plowsite. We have a great snow & ice management bidding package available that includes a comprehensive snow & ice management manual, a CD full of different snow templates for contracts, bidding, proposals, etc and a CD Quick Estimator for snow & ice management that calculates per push, seasonal and flat rate pricing. It also calculates hand-labor, deicing material rates and liquid applications rates as well.

It is simple, accurate and professional. You can calculate costs per hour of operation for any service you offer such as mowing, landscaping, fert. & weed control etc.
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