Bad decision I heard the wings get stolen on XLS plows all the time. Make sure you get the fisher wing lock. I would have taken everyones advice and gone in debt buying a 40k loader and $5k pusher that way when you make any money plowing your putting it into equipment and not your pocket. Just my $.01.
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Backhoe or loader, we use backhoes on lots as small as 2 acres. With 11 acres I don't think I would conciser using a truck, if you don't want to buy a loader rent one. You can rent a hoe here for around $1300 a month in the winter. Its not a bad strategy if you don't have summer work or don't want t make the investment right now.
Cooleys equipment in Cambridge Springs. It might have been 1400 but I'm not far off. They have special pricing if you rent one for the whole winter. I think even the Cat dealers have special winter pricing. The hours are more restrictive than summertime rent, maybe like 100 or 130 a month instead of 200.
No definitely Cooleys out in Cambridge. You're right about Kafferlans tho. My God I don't know if I'd even buy grease there for fear it would be too old to use. I don't get out that way too much but I wonder if they still have that old eager beaver tag trailer sitting there. Its only been there for about 25 years or so.
Ha I think they stil do. I saw that had a Michigan loader there and went to look at it. I was not impressed. Cooleys has a few pretty nice loaders and hoes out there now 544 Deere loaders and some 310G backhoes and the like for pretty decent prices.
Back to the question at hand. I had a similar pair of lots. Total was 14-15ac. We did it with just trucks for a while and a skidsteer with an 8' box when needed. The skid really wasn't very efficient. It was good for clearing around curbs and poles and stuff though. The trucks had 2 Blizzards an MVP and a 9.6 Snowdogg v. During larger events it really seemed that the Vs didn't really make a dent in it. They don't move a huge volume of snow (the 9.6 was decent), so they were really just feeder trucks and used for cleaning up and stacking. I swore by V's until I started getting larger lots like that. The Blizzards moved the volume in the lot overall, hands down, although it was handy having v's present.
Once I was able to afford it, I stepped up to an older 3yd loader with a 14' box. Obviously hrs were cut by more than half, but we did what we could and were quite effecient with what we had before I was able to get it.
If it's a toss up btw a V and an expandable for that lot, definately expandable. Honestly, I don't think one is enough. Be prepared for it to do the bulk load of the work.
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Not sure if anyone really reads posts anymore, but he said he was dropping a truck. Pretty sure that means he isn't adding a loader. It wasn't part of the question, either.
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2 lots and I have a 10' Pro tech
I'm dropping one truck so I'm looking for MAXIUM EFFICIENCY
DFD...see above
I bet a loader would pay for itself in a average season with in the first year if he bought a used one (the payment would be the same as a truck payment).... you can plow 4 or so ac per hour compared to a plow (that maximizing your efficiencies like he was stating)
Thats easily taking the place of 3 trucks
"With snow, a loader is the only way to go"
Just my opinion...carry on all
For a heavy seasonal account sure, and for someone with excellent credit to be able to get an equipment loan, sure. Everybody's situation is different. We all know equipment is more efficient, but if he cant buy a loader he cant buy a loader. Mine sat last year. How worth while was that? Not very.
I would put a 4-5yard loader with a 20'ft box and a 2 speed skid with a 12ft angle blade to chase out to the loader if it were me. I havent used a pickup for plowing for many years but if you must it seems to me that we used to have a blizzard 86-11 that would hold a pretty decent amount of snow. Good Luck. Hopefully it will snow more than last year.
I bet a loader would pay for itself in a average season with in the first year if he bought a used one (the payment would be the same as a truck payment).... you can plow 4 or so ac per hour compared to a plow (that maximizing your efficiencies like he was stating)
Thats easily taking the place of 3 trucks
"With snow, a loader is the only way to go"
Just my opinion...carry on all
Mick, I am not denying that you gave good advice. Or that the others that suggested loaders gave good advice. But it isn't what Matthew was asking. If you read his first post (which I quoted below so you don't have to go back) you will notice that he is asking specifically which plow (for a truck) will be most efficient. He didn't ask what piece of equipment would be most efficient, just which plow\truck combo. That was the reason for my statement. Later on we find out he has\had a loader, but still, he was asking V plow vs expandable plow. Post #2 answered with what they use. Everyone else jumped on the loader bandwagon.
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I will leave the plow specific brand out of this so it doesn't get moved.
I have 11 acres mostly all open flat industrial lots, long runs.
What is the better plow for moving snow, the 8-10 ft expandable wing or a 9.5 V??
I never ever used "V" on my 8.5 SSXV only scoop
I was dead set on the 8-10, but suddenly I'm starting to second guess myself as a few people mentioned the rubber edges on the wings don't scrape well.
I found a new XLS and I need to let the guy know
Thanks
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Originally Posted by MatthewG
2 lots and I have a 10' Pro tech
I'm dropping one truck so I'm looking for maximum efficiency
I know the blizzard has steel wing edges, I'm looking into poly edges for the XLS
Maximum efficiency with a plow and truck combo Mick, he already has a pusher.
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I would put a 4-5yard loader with a 20'ft box and a 2 speed skid with a 12ft angle blade to chase out to the loader if it were me. I havent used a pickup for plowing for many years but if you must it seems to me that we used to have a blizzard 86-11 that would hold a pretty decent amount of snow. Good Luck. Hopefully it will snow more than last year.
Great, and good for you finally answering the question after telling him what you would use, despite the fact that a 20' pusher plus skidsteer is overkill unless you get 400" of snow per year.
Mick, I am not denying that you gave good advice. Or that the others that suggested loaders gave good advice. But it isn't what Matthew was asking. If you read his first post (which I quoted below so you don't have to go back) you will notice that he is asking specifically which plow (for a truck) will be most efficient. He didn't ask what piece of equipment would be most efficient, just which plow\truck combo. That was the reason for my statement. Later on we find out he has\had a loader, but still, he was asking V plow vs expandable plow. Post #2 answered with what they use. Everyone else jumped on the loader bandwagon.
Maximum efficiency with a plow and truck combo Mick, he already has a pusher.
Great, and good for you finally answering the question after telling him what you would use, despite the fact that a 20' pusher plus skidsteer is overkill unless you get 400" of snow per year.
Overkill well maybe, but its not like these 2 pieces would do that and then call it a day they would go on to the next lot. As far as telling him what I would use I guess I thought that is what this board is for peoples opinions on how they do things so others have ideas to consider I enjoy hearing how someone in another country utilizes their equipment and it might give me some ideas to make my business more efficient.
Matt.... I would go with 9' straight blades and run the Boss wings on them! To many things could go wrong with the v blades and the 8-10 footers! on a heavy snow remove the wings it only takes a minute! good luck!!
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