2004 Mack cv713

[Plow More]

Didnt say macks were no good. Just said they arent my choice and arent the most enjoyable thing to perform maintenance or buy parts for.

[tjctransport]

Originally Posted by Plow More

im just not a mack guy is all. Their suspension squeaks, engines wont run with cat, cummins or detroit even if they are all rated at the same power level. They are also a pain to work on as they have a lot of their own parts rather than kenworth and peterbilt which have a lot of common parts and easy to find. The old B-model macks are kinda cool though but as far as im concerned, mack stopped making trucks when they got out of the old classic B- models

you are rite about that. they will not run with the cats, cumaparts, or detroits. my E-7 350 with 8 LL trans will walk away from the T-800 with the 550 cat- 8LL trans, and also walks away from the T-800 with 60 series detroit and 8LL. and all three walk away from the W600 with the 600 cumapart and 18 speed.

and before you say it is all in the gearing, they all have 12X24 tires, and all have a top speed of 72 mph.
as for the parts thing, i can get mack parts anywhere.
for the other trucks, the closest peterbuilt/kenworth/freightliner dealership is 75 miles away. and most parts have to be ordered and wait for delivery.

cambria mack has most parts needed in stock.

[Plow More]

Not trying to argue here....all im saying is in my experience the t800 13 spd with a 500hp 3406e would walk all over the competitions mack which is 550 hp i believe. I do not know the gearing or anything on that truck so that may take play in part of that.

Also, where im at mack parts are further away and more expensive

Edit- i will say its hard to believe that a 350hp mack will walk away from a 550hp truck engine of any sort. The mack either has way more than 350hp or the cats and cummins must way less than 550hp

[tjctransport]

horsepower is just a number. torque is where it is at.
just like the honda pretty boys that talk big about their 300 hp is so much better than my poor 190 hp ford diesel.
my ford makes it's peak power and torque at around 2100rpm. their honda makes it's power at 8,000 rpm. so while they are reving the crap out of their engine, my pos diesel is pulling away from them.

and the mack engines make their torque between 1200 and 1600 rpm.the others make their torque and power up higher, 1600 to 2100 rpm.

so while i am pulling away from them they are struggling to get the rpm's up to catch me.

[Plow More]

once they get the rpm's up though (which doesnt take long on a semi) then they are in their powerband pulling just as hard as a mack. I know torque is what matters but more hp usually means a little more torque is there as well. A 350hp cummins ism may have 1200lbs while a 460hp cummins n14 has 1650lbs

[JT SNOW]

Originally Posted by tjctransport

you are rite about that. they will not run with the cats, cumaparts, or detroits. my E-7 350 with 8 LL trans will walk away from the T-800 with the 550 cat- 8LL trans, and also walks away from the T-800 with 60 series detroit and 8LL. and all three walk away from the W600 with the 600 cumapart and 18 speed.

and before you say it is all in the gearing, they all have 12X24 tires, and all have a top speed of 72 mph.
as for the parts thing, i can get mack parts anywhere.
for the other trucks, the closest peterbuilt/kenworth/freightliner dealership is 75 miles away. and most parts have to be ordered and wait for delivery.

cambria mack has most parts needed in stock.

Those are pretty bold statements.....I want to get this correct...You are saying that the E-7 350 will out pull any of those combinations.....Wow.....Bold statements indeed....

[2COR517]

Originally Posted by tjctransport

horsepower is just a number. torque is where it is at.
just like the honda pretty boys that talk big about their 300 hp is so much better than my poor 190 hp ford diesel.
my ford makes it's peak power and torque at around 2100rpm. their honda makes it's power at 8,000 rpm. so while they are reving the crap out of their engine, my pos diesel is pulling away from them.

and the mack engines make their torque between 1200 and 1600 rpm.the others make their torque and power up higher, 1600 to 2100 rpm.

so while i am pulling away from them they are struggling to get the rpm's up to catch me.

Torque is also "just a number". I don't want to break your heart but HP is what allows you to climb hills at speed. I'm not going to comment on your ridiculous inference that your old Ford truck will walk past a 300hp Civic

[StuveCorp]

After a Pete 357, the Granites have to be about the best looking dump. IMHO...

There was some Granite quads for sale up here in the $80,000 range.