Lets hear from all the guys around Pa
Right now there is a el nino slowly coming on, thats only a small part of this winters puzzle, we hav a negative PDO(google that), and warm AMO, with the warm AMO thats why there has been alot lot of ice melting in the arctic.
What most of your local weather men wouldn't tell you is this, every el nino is different, there are not all blow torch warm
When the water warms right off of the west coast of south america, thats a bad sign for the winter, 97-98 Currently this el nino looks to be central based, a central based el nino with a negative PDO, and warm AMO, could bring all of us a chance of having a good, to great winter .
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01 F-350 dump 4x4 444 c.i. powerstroke diesel 9ft fisher HD series central hydrualics, Henderson SS tailgate spreader
99 F-250 pickup 4x4 444 c.i powerstroke diesel. 8ft fisher HD series plow, 8' Fisher Pro Caster SS V-box
I have myself set up for 60% seasonal and 40% per push so it almost doesnt really matter I'll be busy counting money or spending it on salt and part/maintenance..
Just want a easy to manage winter, no < 8 inch is good for me.
Long range forecasting is very tough, and certainly not a guess, there are trends in the atomsphere that are a road map in any season.
I understand that. And i didn't mean it to be sarcastic. Meteorologists have a tough job. I simply meant its a little to far off to get excited. Although I have been getting ready for a few weeks now. Infact I ordered tires for one truck today and the other is getting a spreader installed tomorrow. Tires for it to follow.
There is a lack of sunspot activity right now and that leads to cooler temperatures. If you look at the history of sunspots the worst winters are those with relatively little or no sunspot activity. The best example of this is the Maunder Minimum. The period from 1650-1725 (approx.) also known as the little ice age. For a excellent explanation as to the hows and whys of forecasting this particular winter check out Snow-day.org for Craig's first winter prognostication.
and yes if the NAO/AO doesn't go negative we could be in for a repeat of last year.
an excerpt from Snowday's winter 12/13 forecast
One thing I am worried about is if the NAO/AO stay negative through the winter time or if they go back to where they were last winter and the entire winter just changes once again, but I have enough evidence that the current pattern is going to take us into a much more snowier and colder winter for folks!
Yes the sun also plays a big part. Getting bac to the NAO, its was negative just about all summer, but in summer time u get a different signal of course haha. Snowday did put out a good forecast.
Snow cover in western Canada is also a player in any winter, the more snow in western canada, the stronger the cold air masses will be, currently snow cover is close to normal in that area.
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01 F-350 dump 4x4 444 c.i. powerstroke diesel 9ft fisher HD series central hydrualics, Henderson SS tailgate spreader
99 F-250 pickup 4x4 444 c.i powerstroke diesel. 8ft fisher HD series plow, 8' Fisher Pro Caster SS V-box
Looks like my plows and salter will be on this weekend. We may just get a nice little scrimmage. A nice light snow would be nice to get the bugs worked out.
Looks like my plows and salter will be on this weekend. We may just get a nice little scrimmage. A nice light snow would be nice to get the bugs worked out.
trial run every fall would be nice
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2008 f150 4x4
2009 toro snow blower 7hp 28 in
2011 craftsman snow blower 5hp 24 in
hand tools
I heard the rumor from several people today that we could see the mother of all storms Monday. 40 inches. I have not been watching the news or weather reports. Someone fill me in...
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02 F250 Sno Way 9' V Plow, Salt Dogg 2000
99 Ram 1500 8' Sno Way Straight Blade
94 F350 8' Fisher
89 F250HD Western Straight, SnoWay Tailgate Spreader
Figured its time to wake this thread up. Looks like we will be getting some snow in the western half of the state. Not sure if it will be plowable, but will probably get some salting in this week. 40mph gusts could make it interesting. Id really like to do a full run to see how my route needs tweaking and how the trucks perform (and the drivers).
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02 F250 Sno Way 9' V Plow, Salt Dogg 2000
99 Ram 1500 8' Sno Way Straight Blade
94 F350 8' Fisher
89 F250HD Western Straight, SnoWay Tailgate Spreader
Just saw this graphic on TWC. Maybe we will be scraping.
I saw the same thing. Keeping my fingers crossed but I'm not getting my hopes up. Although I will say this, since I have to go up to Cleveland this weekend it'll probably snow til Sunday. Oh well, at least it would be money in the pocketbook.
Currently this el nino looks to be central based, a central based el nino with a negative PDO, and warm AMO, could bring all of us a chance of having a good, to great winter 
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Looks like we will be getting some snow in the western half of the state. 
Not sure if it will be plowable, but will probably get some salting in this week. 40mph gusts could make it interesting. Id really like to do a full run to see how my route needs tweaking and how the trucks perform (and the drivers).
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