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and dont and i mean DONT forget the blinker fluid
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dodge does pump fluid though the transmission in park so leave it in neutral while sitting still,.

not in my truck.

I have the "518" in my 92, and it pumps nothing in park, but full flow in neutral.....


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Yes you should change your fluid every year, no you should not run ATF in any electric solenoid valve operated pump, a properly adjusted set of skid shoes will save on blade wear but result in lower psi loading across the scrape surface, use a gravel edge for gravel roads, all plows offer some form of drop speed adjustment, Ground and power directly from the battery, key the power supply to the controller, Back dragging a new wear edge about 100 yards will "set" the blade angle and reduce chattering, particularly important for poly, Caffeine is your friend, salt doesn't cause spalling poorly pour concrete does, Your not responsible for any lawn/landscaping that is not staked, yes you charge for stakes, to stack you simply continue to go forward while lifting the blade, the best way to remove the snow from in front of garage doors, dumpster, loading docks, etc is back dragging. yes you can wire extra reverse lights to work off both the reverse switch and a toggle on the dash, raise the blade as high as possible and angle for best cooling while traveling, always come to a complete stop before shifting the transmission, yes you still need insurance even if you are using your truck but plowing for someone else or just doing a couple driveways. Salt eats trucks, pre-coating with Fluid Film helps, Some chevy 2500HD need gussets, watch out for pump rub in others, dodge does pump fluid though the transmission in park so leave it in neutral while sitting still, the close your jobs are to one another the more time you spend with your blade on the ground making money, Fords have a ****** turning radius, under tailgate spreaders are the bomb on any size dump truck, Jeeps, short wheel base trucks, skid steers and tractors with blowers are best in driveways, If you drive for someone else in their vehicle you are and employee not a sub contractor, a good dealer is more important then the name of the plow, Don't work cheap the cost of operating in this business is greater then you think, Yes you should have a lawyer look at your contract, yes you should have a contract in the truck for the new customer, yes you need to keep log sheets, yes neighbor discounts are a good idea, flyers work but referrals are best, yes loud exhausts annoy the customer and their neighbors, beware of last minute calls that seem to good to be true, review national management group's contracts carefully and be aware of what you are signing, carry both a flat and pointed shovel, cary an extra pair of gloves or two, think about where you are gong to store snow, not just this storm but the ones to follow, Plow with the storm, you need a med card to cross state lines at 10,001 lbs combined, you need a CDL at 26,001 lbs combined, yes you can tow a trailer in the snow, Fisher and Meyer wear edges are interchangeable, as are fisher and western controllers. leveling kits raise the ride but don't increase the load capacity, counter weight goes behind the axle ballast goes anywhere, you need less counter weight than you do ballast, Not everything you hear on the internet is true, research the source before heeding someone's advice, Meyer has a particularly good section on how to move snow in the owner's manual available online, If you have a question try the search feature available in the forum menu, all these topics and more have been beaten to death, this is just a short synopsis.
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X3 on the ear muffs!! Sound like Basher covered eveything and B&B filled in the some detail, so is the redbull all gone or is there more ?? LOL
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Join SIMA take some of their classes attend some of the symposiums or trade shows that are held across the country. If you are going to run your own truck; yes it will need commercial insurance, yes you will need to claim it on your taxes, yes you should have liability insurance to protect yourself, yes devoted winter tires are best, yes two batteries are better but you only need one. Yes plowing is hard on the front end, the extra weight on axle bearings and load points consent steering resistance on steering components, yes timbrens help, yes you should carry a counter weight, yes you need contracts, yes wing/Vee blades are more productive, no you don't have to have one, yes a blinky light is important, yes markers are good, no you should not pile snow in front of non-paying driveways, yes you are on call 24/7 10/1though 4/15, yes 3/4 ton or better trucks with plow prep are best but 1/2 ton will work, no there is no law you have to buy Fisher in Maine, Trip edges do not save transmissions, full trip vees will trip but not as well a a trip edge, only Snoway has down pressure, Douglass Dynamics owns fisher, western, blizzard, Yes you plow on Christmas, salt is better then sand unless the temps drop into the teens, yes liquids are best for pre application, not they don't replace solids in all situations, yes back up cameras help, yes a deflector is a good thing, yes you should carry extra parts, including a shovel and tow strap. Yes you can "short chain" a direct lift, direct lift is faster to respond than a chain lift, yes Fishers and Meyer are Yellow, Boss and Western are Red, Snoway Black (or clear,) Blizzard blades are white, Yes a speedwing is bad to the bone, yes Palmer hates the Fisher Hinge pin, B&B (who pretty much jumped ship) is good with Boss and Chevy, Yes some winters suck, Seasonal contracts should be for 3 years or more, yes you should mix seasonal and per storm contracts. I know I missed things however I'm out of time but that's a start on snowplowing in a nutshell
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Yes you should change your fluid every year, no you should not run ATF in any electric solenoid valve operated pump, a properly adjusted set of skid shoes will save on blade wear but result in lower psi loading across the scrape surface, use a gravel edge for gravel roads, all plows offer some form of drop speed adjustment, Ground and power directly from the battery, key the power supply to the controller, Back dragging a new wear edge about 100 yards will "set" the blade angle and reduce chattering, particularly important for poly, Caffeine is your friend, salt doesn't cause spalling poorly pour concrete does, Your not responsible for any lawn/landscaping that is not staked, yes you charge for stakes, to stack you simply continue to go forward while lifting the blade, the best way to remove the snow from in front of garage doors, dumpster, loading docks, etc is back dragging. yes you can wire extra reverse lights to work off both the reverse switch and a toggle on the dash, raise the blade as high as possible and angle for best cooling while traveling, always come to a complete stop before shifting the transmission, yes you still need insurance even if you are using your truck but plowing for someone else or just doing a couple driveways. Salt eats trucks, pre-coating with Fluid Film helps, Some chevy 2500HD need gussets, watch out for pump rub in others, dodge does pump fluid though the transmission in park so leave it in neutral while sitting still, the close your jobs are to one another the more time you spend with your blade on the ground making money, Fords have a ****** turning radius, under tailgate spreaders are the bomb on any size dump truck, Jeeps, short wheel base trucks, skid steers and tractors with blowers are best in driveways, If you drive for someone else in their vehicle you are and employee not a sub contractor, a good dealer is more important then the name of the plow, Don't work cheap the cost of operating in this business is greater then you think, Yes you should have a lawyer look at your contract, yes you should have a contract in the truck for the new customer, yes you need to keep log sheets, yes neighbor discounts are a good idea, flyers work but referrals are best, yes loud exhausts annoy the customer and their neighbors, beware of last minute calls that seem to good to be true, review national management group's contracts carefully and be aware of what you are signing, carry both a flat and pointed shovel, cary an extra pair of gloves or two, think about where you are gong to store snow, not just this storm but the ones to follow, Plow with the storm, you need a med card to cross state lines at 10,001 lbs combined, you need a CDL at 26,001 lbs combined, yes you can tow a trailer in the snow, Fisher and Meyer wear edges are interchangeable, as are fisher and western controllers. leveling kits raise the ride but don't increase the load capacity, counter weight goes behind the axle ballast goes anywhere, you need less counter weight than you do ballast, Not everything you hear on the internet is true, research the source before heeding someone's advice, Meyer has a particularly good section on how to move snow in the owner's manual available online, If you have a question try the search feature available in the forum menu, all these topics and more have been beaten to death, this is just a short synopsis.
only 3 things to say to all that is
1 Wow Clap,clap, clap
2 a person could just sticky this & close the site, you answered all
3 why should I not pile snow infront of nonpayers drives?
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Wow, I think Bashers replies should be a sticky!!!
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yes a blinky light is important
Especially in Michigan

Public Act 262
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The Act amends the Michigan Vehicle Code to prohibit the operation of a commercial snow removal vehicle without a flashing or oscillating light, and designate a violation a misdemeanor.

Specifically, the bill would add Section 682c to prohibit a person from operating a commercial snow removal vehicle to remove snow or ice on a public street or highway or in a parking lot accessible for use by the public unless the vehicle were operated with at least one flashing, rotating, or oscillating yellow or amber light that was clearly visible in a 360-degree arc from a distance of 500 feet when in use. A person who leased a commercial snow removal vehicle could not knowingly allow a person to operate it in violation of these requirements.

A person who violated Section 682c would be guilty of a misdemeanor punishable by imprisonment for up to 90 days and/or a maximum fine of $500.
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Especially in Michigan

Public Act 262
http://www.legislature.mi.gov/(S(nhc...e=2011-HB-4146

The Act amends the Michigan Vehicle Code to prohibit the operation of a commercial snow removal vehicle without a flashing or oscillating light, and designate a violation a misdemeanor.

Specifically, the bill would add Section 682c to prohibit a person from operating a commercial snow removal vehicle to remove snow or ice on a public street or highway or in a parking lot accessible for use by the public unless the vehicle were operated with at least one flashing, rotating, or oscillating yellow or amber light that was clearly visible in a 360-degree arc from a distance of 500 feet when in use. A person who leased a commercial snow removal vehicle could not knowingly allow a person to operate it in violation of these requirements.

A person who violated Section 682c would be guilty of a misdemeanor punishable by imprisonment for up to 90 days and/or a maximum fine of $500.
Every state has their own laws..

In NJ we're not allowed to use an amber flashing light unless we get a special permit from each town we're plowing in. It's against the law to utilize a flashing light on your vehicle unless you are a fireman, first aid, or fuzz or township vehicle, or.... you have the special permits required by law.

No police enforce this as far as I've experienced,.... but its the law.
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Especially in Michigan

Public Act 262
http://www.legislature.mi.gov/(S(nhc...e=2011-HB-4146

The Act amends the Michigan Vehicle Code to prohibit the operation of a commercial snow removal vehicle without a flashing or oscillating light, and designate a violation a misdemeanor.

Specifically, the bill would add Section 682c to prohibit a person from operating a commercial snow removal vehicle to remove snow or ice on a public street or highway or in a parking lot accessible for use by the public unless the vehicle were operated with at least one flashing, rotating, or oscillating yellow or amber light that was clearly visible in a 360-degree arc from a distance of 500 feet when in use. A person who leased a commercial snow removal vehicle could not knowingly allow a person to operate it in violation of these requirements.

A person who violated Section 682c would be guilty of a misdemeanor punishable by imprisonment for up to 90 days and/or a maximum fine of $500.
Who's the ******* that wrote this law?

I really hope the verbage was altered, and is stated as it is for public safety vehicles. "Must be visible from 500 feet under normal conditions".

Because I can guarantee that there are many a time while plowing my blinky light is not visible from 500 feet.
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This is a great thread!

BTW...did anyone get the memo that MJD is looking for 50 participants to join in on a private Boss plow discussion?

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Who's the ******* that wrote this law?

I really hope the verbage was altered, and is stated as it is for public safety vehicles. "Must be visible from 500 feet under normal conditions".

Because I can guarantee that there are many a time while plowing my blinky light is not visible from 500 feet..
I had a professor once that said "too harsh a law is worse than no law at all" and "Laws are written to satisfy a committee and therefore deliberately open to interpretation."
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This is a great thread!

BTW...did anyone get the memo that MJD is looking for 50 participants to join in on a private Boss plow discussion?

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Only if you live in New Hampshire ,trying to move into Fisher territory
Market research people would call it a focus group.
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MRP's are getting cheap...the focus groups I've been part of at least fed me and gave out dead presidents.
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Plowing is more of a PITA than it is "hard".

Pedestrians, cars, parking lot islands, grocery carts, hidden obstacles, where to put the snow, what kind of snow is it (wet or powder), etc. It just gets very monotonous...for me anyway.
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Join SIMA take some of their classes attend some of the symposiums or trade shows that are held across the country. If you are going to run your own truck; yes it will need commercial insurance, yes you will need to claim it on your taxes, yes you should have liability insurance to protect yourself, yes devoted winter tires are best, yes two batteries are better but you only need one. Yes plowing is hard on the front end, the extra weight on axle bearings and load points consent steering resistance on steering components, yes timbrens help, yes you should carry a counter weight, yes you need contracts, yes wing/Vee blades are more productive, no you don't have to have one, yes a blinky light is important, yes markers are good, no you should not pile snow in front of non-paying driveways, yes you are on call 24/7 10/1though 4/15, yes 3/4 ton or better trucks with plow prep are best but 1/2 ton will work, no there is no law you have to buy Fisher in Maine, Trip edges do not save transmissions, full trip vees will trip but not as well a a trip edge, only Snoway has down pressure, Douglass Dynamics owns fisher, western, blizzard, Yes you plow on Christmas, salt is better then sand unless the temps drop into the teens, yes liquids are best for pre application, not they don't replace solids in all situations, yes back up cameras help, yes a deflector is a good thing, yes you should carry extra parts, including a shovel and tow strap. Yes you can "short chain" a direct lift, direct lift is faster to respond than a chain lift, yes Fishers and Meyer are Yellow, Boss and Western are Red, Snoway Black (or clear,) Blizzard blades are white, Yes a speedwing is bad to the bone, yes Palmer hates the Fisher Hinge pin, B&B (who pretty much jumped ship) is good with Boss and Chevy, Yes some winters suck, Seasonal contracts should be for 3 years or more, yes you should mix seasonal and per storm contracts. I know I missed things however I'm out of time but that's a start on snowplowing in a nutshell
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I had a professor once that said "too harsh a law is worse than no law at all" and "Laws are written to satisfy a committee and therefore deliberately open to interpretation."
And I once did a demo job for a federal judge from NYC who very eloquently in his Irish brogue told me ''It's easier to ask for forgiveness than for permission''.This,after he asked me to do something highly illegal at his home.He didn't like my answer.
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Thank you.
I now know everything there is to know about the plow biz!
Nothing left to do now except delete my plowsite account.

..Seriously though, excellent thread.
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B&B you forgot batteries not included in the disclaimer!!! Great thread
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