Switching to blowing service

[Landcare - Mont]

Originally Posted by Golfpro21

yes the way you put it sounds like its coming from an accountant......that is how it works

After 40-odd years in business, we've discovered that it's very important to have some idea about bookkeeping and accounting and to have a very trustworthy and competent accountant available. It helps a good deal in the decision-making process when buying/leasing equipment, etc.

[4wydnr]

Originally Posted by Landcare - Mont

After 40-odd years in business, we've discovered that it's very important to have some idea about bookkeeping and accounting and to have a very trustworthy and competent accountant available. It helps a good deal in the decision-making process when buying/leasing equipment, etc.

Sounds like something I read in "The Millionaire Mind." Most wealthy people consult with accountants and lawyers often when it comes to larger business decisions.

[Golfpro21]

yes an accountant is a valuable part of a company. We are lucky enough to service our accountant's offices and family homes in return for their services, so we get great advise and accounting services

[snoworks07]

Second: It is my understanding that you recently purchased a newer New Holland T6020. I was wondering why did you decide on the T6020 instead of the T4050 being that they have similar HP levels but a $10,000+ price difference? I know there are other difference, but specifically for the use of snow blowing what are the difference that made you decide on the T6020 despite the cost difference?[/QUOTE]

Paul,

I saw this question asked twice during my 5 hour reading of this thread. Any feedback would be appreciated.

I purchased your webinar from sima, prior to reading this thread, look forward to listening to it.

Thanks,

Chuck B.

[snoworks07]

Anyone have any insight to how to check what the laws are of operating a tractor on village/state roads?

[RLM]

I know here I didn't register mine as it was working in one neighborhood (HOA), and stored about 1/2 mile away, my friend went through hell trying to get his registered because "we don't register tractors", but being non farm related it had to be, they did finally register it under special purpose commercial.

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Originally Posted by snoworks07

Anyone have any insight to how to check what the laws are of operating a tractor on village/state roads?

Where are you located? The local DMV would be my guess. Although I don't have to register here.

[IMAGE]

Originally Posted by snoworks07

Second: It is my understanding that you recently purchased a newer New Holland T6020. I was wondering why did you decide on the T6020 instead of the T4050 being that they have similar HP levels but a $10,000+ price difference? I know there are other difference, but specifically for the use of snow blowing what are the difference that made you decide on the T6020 despite the cost difference?

Paul,

I saw this question asked twice during my 5 hour reading of this thread. Any feedback would be appreciated.

I purchased your webinar from sima, prior to reading this thread, look forward to listening to it.

Thanks,

Chuck B.[/QUOTE]


Hey Chuck, I'm pretty sure he went with 6xxx series because 1) Better Trans Options 2) flat floor / better cab 3) push button controls 4) bigger framed tractor, so it's less stress on the tractor, even with same blower.

At least those are the things thag pop out to me as very nice upgrades compared to the 4xxx series.

[snoworks07]

Anyone have any experience with the Kubota M108s tractor? I saw this machine at the dealership and it looks like it would tackle a 92 inverted blower. It has over 95 hp at the pto as well. Its also $11k cheaper than the M110.

[blowerman]

Originally Posted by snoworks07

Anyone have any experience with the Kubota M108s tractor? I saw this machine at the dealership and it looks like it would tackle a 92 inverted blower. It has over 95 hp at the pto as well. Its also $11k cheaper than the M110.

The main difference in Kubota models are the ergonomics of the machine.
It's up to you when making the decision on transmissions, seat layout, cab design, etc.
Is that worth $5K or 10K more? In my opinion, yes.

[snoworks07]

Originally Posted by blowerman

The main difference in Kubota models are the ergonomics of the machine.
It's up to you when making the decision on transmissions, seat layout, cab design, etc.
Is that worth $5K or 10K more? In my opinion, yes.

Blowerman,

Any chance I can take you out to lunch next week and come see your set-up? Send me an email either way snoworks1@aim.com

The M110 is the same height and length as the M108S. The M108S is actually quite a bit wider than the M110. The big difference I see is with all the upgrade options on the M110, like the hand controls on the arm rest or the electronic switches.

[merrimacmill]

Does anyone have more input on the differences in the larger frame and more medium frame tractors? I'm planning the purchase of another tractor and have been going back and forth between a larger frame M100x and a more medium frame model such as a M9540.

I'm very enticed to the M9540 due to the lower cost, and the fact that I already have 2 M7040's both equipped with blowers. I would like to keep the operation of the tractors the same as well. I figure if I get a different machine, with different operations, then drivers will have to get used to that. In an emergency/quick maneuver situation, drivers will be used to the location of all controls, across all of my machines without needing to remember which one they're in and what the differences are. Also, parts and service is a concern. Currently I stock all consumable parts for my M7040s, and I imagine and M9540 would not be to much different, in both parts (filters, cables, oil, etc) and service points (clutch adjustment, oil changes, grease points, etc).

The other plus is preventative maintenance. If I keep all my machines the same, or close to the same, and I have an alternator go out at 750 hours with an identifiable cause, and I have another machine at 690 hours then I know I should check or replace that alternator as well based on the fact that they're the same part number, with similar hours, operated and maintained in the same conditions. (I know this applies more to group of sequenced serial number machines, but I still use it otherwise).

On the other hand, I like the added weight of the M100x (when pushing a plow) and I like the added ergonomics of it. Not to mention the size of it just looks plain cool (not that I buy based on coolness). The ergonomics of it is great, but being a "snow-only" tractor thats run 50-100 hours a year (depending on snow), I'm not overly worried about if the guys need to move they're arm a bit more, or clutch more often. So it really comes down to performance. Will there be any performance enhancements, or longevity enhancements (due to added strength) in a M100x size machine that is worth the added $10K-$15K? I don't personally think the added size of it is great for driveways, although I'm sure it wouldn't make that much of a difference. But keep in mind, for about half the accounts we do, I'm working in VERY tight new england neighborhoods that were built before the revolutionary war.. This past season, there were several occasions I would be servicing a driveway on a busy road, and with my small"er" machine I was able to pull out of the driveway and turn out, without going past the breakdown lane which prevented me from having to wait for traffic to go by. I could be wrong, but I'm not sure such a large machine would allow me to do that.

One other thing that scares me about the larger machines is all the technology in them, in comparison to the M40 series. While I'm a big advocate for technology, when I'm only using something a handful of hours each year, I like to keep things simple. I'd rather replace a linkage or cable mid-storm, than have to figure out why my electronic, push-button, this or that is not working.

Lets here some more thoughts and opinions on the larger frame vs. medium frame machines...

[RLM]

I can't comment on brand specifics, because we run JD. But I will say blower weight/ length have alot to do with it. Our 5101 with SHoule blowers require a good bit of counter weight, I have 400, steve has 600, both could use more. That said their are light units, and units closer to the 3pt. As we get more into it we will be looking more toward that brand as they have a better selection.

[snoworks07]

One of my Kubota M110's is supposed to be shipped to me by Friday. Looking forward to getting some seat time to get used to it. Still up in the air on a blower set up.

As far as big vs. small machines goes, I can tell you that the new cab layout of the M110 is unreal. So visibility and function/ergonomics have been dialed in big time. The bi-speed turn option on this machine also makes this machine more nimble than my Jeep Wranglers with front and rear plows on them!

[DGODGR]

Originally Posted by merrimacmill

Does anyone have more input on the differences in the larger frame and more medium frame tractors? I'm planning the purchase of another tractor and have been going back and forth between a larger frame M100x and a more medium frame model such as a M9540.

I'm very enticed to the M9540 due to the lower cost, and the fact that I already have 2 M7040's both equipped with blowers. I would like to keep the operation of the tractors the same as well. I figure if I get a different machine, with different operations, then drivers will have to get used to that. In an emergency/quick maneuver situation, drivers will be used to the location of all controls, across all of my machines without needing to remember which one they're in and what the differences are. Also, parts and service is a concern. Currently I stock all consumable parts for my M7040s, and I imagine and M9540 would not be to much different, in both parts (filters, cables, oil, etc) and service points (clutch adjustment, oil changes, grease points, etc).

The other plus is preventative maintenance. If I keep all my machines the same, or close to the same, and I have an alternator go out at 750 hours with an identifiable cause, and I have another machine at 690 hours then I know I should check or replace that alternator as well based on the fact that they're the same part number, with similar hours, operated and maintained in the same conditions. (I know this applies more to group of sequenced serial number machines, but I still use it otherwise).

On the other hand, I like the added weight of the M100x (when pushing a plow) and I like the added ergonomics of it. Not to mention the size of it just looks plain cool (not that I buy based on coolness). The ergonomics of it is great, but being a "snow-only" tractor thats run 50-100 hours a year (depending on snow), I'm not overly worried about if the guys need to move they're arm a bit more, or clutch more often. So it really comes down to performance. Will there be any performance enhancements, or longevity enhancements (due to added strength) in a M100x size machine that is worth the added $10K-$15K? I don't personally think the added size of it is great for driveways, although I'm sure it wouldn't make that much of a difference. But keep in mind, for about half the accounts we do, I'm working in VERY tight new england neighborhoods that were built before the revolutionary war.. This past season, there were several occasions I would be servicing a driveway on a busy road, and with my small"er" machine I was able to pull out of the driveway and turn out, without going past the breakdown lane which prevented me from having to wait for traffic to go by. I could be wrong, but I'm not sure such a large machine would allow me to do that.

One other thing that scares me about the larger machines is all the technology in them, in comparison to the M40 series. While I'm a big advocate for technology, when I'm only using something a handful of hours each year, I like to keep things simple. I'd rather replace a linkage or cable mid-storm, than have to figure out why my electronic, push-button, this or that is not working.

Lets here some more thoughts and opinions on the larger frame vs. medium frame machines...

Collin,
Have you gone to compare these tractors at the dealer yet? I looked at them both last year and they seem as though they are basically the same machine. The 9540 I looked at had +/-900 hours on it (from the dealers rental fleet), with a loader, and the 100 was new, without a loader. At that time I decided that the 100 was going to be what I purchased. The 9540 seemed pretty beat (especially for only 900 hrs) and the cash flow demand was to be less on the 100 because it was offered at zero % financing. On the spec sheets they are not too far off. I think that the wheelbase is only 7" different. Turning radius is only .3" different. The 100 weighs about 2k# more. The width is a harder to establish number as the brochures I have do not give widths for the 4WD 9540. If it's the same as the 2WD the diff. is only 5". IMO it really boils down to price and fuel consumption. They both employ the same engine but the 100 has a common rail fuel system and the 9540 has, what Kubota labels as, E-CDIS. I'm not versed enough to know the difference but I bet they will have similar fuel consumption. I bet that both engines employ the same filters (a call to the parts guy will verify that easy enough) so that should make your maint. simple enough. The 7040 has the smaller engine but it may use the same filters too (or maybe some of the same). If the dimensions of the 100 are not so much larger that it will still fit in your "pre revolutionary neighborhoods" then all you are left with is price. There are not many folks around, with both tractors in the fleet, that can tell you if you get any more productivity, extended life cycle, or whatever, that will justify the extra money to purchase the 100. I'm guessing that you will have to see if it fits in your model/price point. If so, you may just have to try it and let the rest of us know what you find. If not, you must decide if you are willing to change your model/price point to fit the machine or stick with what you already know (the 7040s). Sorry that I can't offer first hand experience with the machines in question but my guess is that Paul MIGHT be the only one who has them both in his fleet....maybe.

[Neige]

Originally Posted by snoworks07

Second: It is my understanding that you recently purchased a newer New Holland T6020. I was wondering why did you decide on the T6020 instead of the T4050 being that they have similar HP levels but a $10,000+ price difference? I know there are other difference, but specifically for the use of snow blowing what are the difference that made you decide on the T6020 despite the cost difference?

Paul,

I saw this question asked twice during my 5 hour reading of this thread. Any feedback would be appreciated.

I purchased your webinar from sima, prior to reading this thread, look forward to listening to it.

Thanks,

Chuck B.[/QUOTE]

The only reason was that I when I acquired that company I also got his equipment. The cost differences is really in the bells and whistles and confort levels. Remember these tractors are built for farmers who spend many, many hours at a time in these machines.
Personally I find the 6020 over done, with way to much electronics that can go wrong. Now I have no experience with the 4050, but I can tell you a contractor close to me who has 8500 resi clients uses a whole bunch of 4050's and is very satisfied with them.

Originally Posted by snoworks07

Anyone have any experience with the Kubota M108s tractor? I saw this machine at the dealership and it looks like it would tackle a 92 inverted blower. It has over 95 hp at the pto as well. Its also $11k cheaper than the M110.

I almost got one the other year, and loved how it handled. I ended up getting the M95x for a better price at the time. If you like it and the price is right you will not go wrong with the 108.

Originally Posted by snoworks07

One of my Kubota M110's is supposed to be shipped to me by Friday. Looking forward to getting some seat time to get used to it. Still up in the air on a blower set up.

As far as big vs. small machines goes, I can tell you that the new cab layout of the M110 is unreal. So visibility and function/ergonomics have been dialed in big time. The bi-speed turn option on this machine also makes this machine more nimble than my Jeep Wranglers with front and rear plows on them!

Just a note on the bi-speed. Its a great option, but be careful because when you crank the wheel and it engages, your tractor lurches forward unexpectedly. It can be unnerving at first.

Originally Posted by merrimacmill

Does anyone have more input on the differences in the larger frame and more medium frame tractors? I'm planning the purchase of another tractor and have been going back and forth between a larger frame M100x and a more medium frame model such as a M9540.

I'm very enticed to the M9540 due to the lower cost, and the fact that I already have 2 M7040's both equipped with blowers. I would like to keep the operation of the tractors the same as well. I figure if I get a different machine, with different operations, then drivers will have to get used to that. In an emergency/quick maneuver situation, drivers will be used to the location of all controls, across all of my machines without needing to remember which one they're in and what the differences are. Also, parts and service is a concern. Currently I stock all consumable parts for my M7040s, and I imagine and M9540 would not be to much different, in both parts (filters, cables, oil, etc) and service points (clutch adjustment, oil changes, grease points, etc).

The other plus is preventative maintenance. If I keep all my machines the same, or close to the same, and I have an alternator go out at 750 hours with an identifiable cause, and I have another machine at 690 hours then I know I should check or replace that alternator as well based on the fact that they're the same part number, with similar hours, operated and maintained in the same conditions. (I know this applies more to group of sequenced serial number machines, but I still use it otherwise).

On the other hand, I like the added weight of the M100x (when pushing a plow) and I like the added ergonomics of it. Not to mention the size of it just looks plain cool (not that I buy based on coolness). The ergonomics of it is great, but being a "snow-only" tractor thats run 50-100 hours a year (depending on snow), I'm not overly worried about if the guys need to move they're arm a bit more, or clutch more often. So it really comes down to performance. Will there be any performance enhancements, or longevity enhancements (due to added strength) in a M100x size machine that is worth the added $10K-$15K? I don't personally think the added size of it is great for driveways, although I'm sure it wouldn't make that much of a difference. But keep in mind, for about half the accounts we do, I'm working in VERY tight new england neighborhoods that were built before the revolutionary war.. This past season, there were several occasions I would be servicing a driveway on a busy road, and with my small"er" machine I was able to pull out of the driveway and turn out, without going past the breakdown lane which prevented me from having to wait for traffic to go by. I could be wrong, but I'm not sure such a large machine would allow me to do that.

One other thing that scares me about the larger machines is all the technology in them, in comparison to the M40 series. While I'm a big advocate for technology, when I'm only using something a handful of hours each year, I like to keep things simple. I'd rather replace a linkage or cable mid-storm, than have to figure out why my electronic, push-button, this or that is not working.

Lets here some more thoughts and opinions on the larger frame vs. medium frame machines...

Wow Collin we do sure think alike. I agree 100% with the technology aspect, linkage is much easier to fix, and much cheaper.
As far as driveways, both machines are great and the turning is almost identical. The down side with the M100 is the cab is wider and if your clearing older neighborhoods there is a greater chance of scraping and damagaing the M100 cab due to tree branches.
For commercial application the M100 is better suited, its heavier, and the powershift is very handy. Either machine will be fine, just depends on how much you want to spend.

[RLM]

Paul,
The contractor tuning the 4050's, what blowers is he running or just a bunch of front weights ?

[Neige]

Originally Posted by RLM

Paul,
The contractor tuning the 4050's, what blowers is he running or just a bunch of front weights ?

He has both Normand and Pronovost, he buys like 10 new blowers a year, so who ever gets him the best price is who he goes with. I just acquired another competitor last month and he was using a 4050. He paid 60 grand for it new, I can still get a Kubota for around 55 grand, so I was not interested.

[RLM]

You pay way more for the JD than we do, our 5101 with the blowers were I believe a touch over 60, when factoring in finance packages the JD were less than the Kubota or New Holland.

[OrganicsL&L]

Just spent a few hours with Paul(Neige) yesterday, and, as you all probably know, nothing short of a great guy. Very knowledgeable and even more willing to share that knowledge.

Whatever doubt existed in my mind before is gone now....can't wait to get those tractors going!

Thanks again Paul!