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Originally Posted by TPC Services
Not to disagree with you here JDdave I think you always have great info when it comes to bigger commercial. But are we talking skid loaders or wheel loaders for these 2-3 acre lots.
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But you are disagreeing with him, I think the only skidsteer Dave runs is at the farm.....maybe.
I'm referring to wheel loaders with pushers. 16' pushers.
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Originally Posted by TPC Services
Because if we are talking wheel loaders that’s over kill.
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Again, I disagree. It's been working for me for 14 seasons.
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Originally Posted by TPC Services
I can charge the same amount for two trucks as I would could for one wheel loader and be done in the same amount of time. I better have 3-4 lots that same size in a mile radius for the wheel loader to then become profitable.
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Great, but I only have to pay one operator. One insurance payment. No extra taxes for employees, etc, etc, etc.
I do have that many lots, so it works great for me.
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Originally Posted by TPC Services
Stacking it know or being able to stack it later has no affect on how you charge your client!! As long as it gets done. Your charging around the same because it’s going to take you around the same amount of time to stack it either way!!
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This all depends. Some of the guys around here (the one we took the customer from) was charging extra to stack it later. We came in with equipment to get the job done RIGHT the first time, not later when and if we had time.
Some customers do want the job done the right way, the first time. They don't want piles staged all over the place, then equipment moving it around to where it should have gone in the first place.
And while you may be charging the same, you're losing money. If the work can be accomplished the right way the first time, you are saving money and fuel by not having to go back to do the job you should have done when you were there to begin with. I would tend to disagree with your last statement as well. Because the snow has now compacted and there is no air left in it. And if I have to move it, more than likely I need to use just the loader bucket, not the pusher box. Not to mention screwing around with traffic, potential for having to reapply salt, etc, etc, etc.
Always put the snow where it belongs the first time, especially when wet\close to freezing. Otherwise it's like trying to move a glacier.
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Originally Posted by TPC Services
The only difference is you can get other things done that are priorities before your time deadlines our up or if your behind on another property and need to go get it caught up. Then go back and stack at your own convince as long as the client is ok with it. We discus with some of our clients about small staging areas to leave the snow by where we are to stack the snow and most are fine with it as long as it s not interfering with their customers trying to access the property.
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Then IMHO, you are underequipped for the work you are performing. As I said, you have the equipment to do the job right the first time.
What happens when in a "normal" season, snow starts coming day after day, or even a couple days apart? Have you ever plowed 20 out of 30 days in a month? I have. There is no time to move snow when it is convenient. You're too busy plowing or salting or repairing equipment or sleeping. Your staging areas will be full. And your theory about taking the same amount of time goes out the window even faster.
Like I said, if I am able to place the snow where it should be right away because I am "overkilling" on equipment, and do it for the same cost as you can with 2 trucks, I can walk away with an awful lot of your customers because they will be getting better service for the same price because I am using the proper equipment. It has nothing to do with overkill, it is all about efficiency.
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